Post By: sickws6 Posted: 1/10/2017 1:21:59 PMPoints: 709
This Post is meant to try to help the format and personal opinions, not in anyway am I bashing Nate or any of the tightline guys.
I know there is a post on the plus side but for us non plus members here we go. what do you like and what needs to be changed??
For Me: 1. I have fished the chatty tourney twice and the Boyd tourney once, never have I seen someone with a fish on and ive never had a bite.
2. I saw the area the tourney was on Saturday and thought ok they moved it from previous years. ive been slaying fish right in that area non stop trout eyes and perch, only 13 fish caught, I get those numbers in a couple hours.
3. the prizes make the tourney better but I don't feel like paying 40 bucks to be ass hole to elbow with 799 others and to get the skunk.
4. Maybe put a cap limit on the # of entrants 800 is way to many fisherman for boyd in 1 area
5. I fished Boyd Saturday same time as the tourney and caught over 20 fish mixed bag and numerous trout and eyes would have been close to winning if not won
Once again Nate thanks for getting people out and making this tourney possible, those are the reasons I don't fish the ice addiction anymore.
Would like to see how others feel about it as well
I think the tournaments are more for introducing people to the sport more than a skilled angler tournament. The guys do a heck of a job running it and always had a good time camping and drinking the night before. It's not for everyone but to each his own. I didn't fish Boyd this time but will fish it again just for the chance at some of the great prizes if the duck hunting sucks.
I don't know where you heard 13 fish caught but there were at least 50 fish weighed at the Boyd tourney 1/7/17. I personally had a great time at my first tournament of any sort. I missed the money by 0.11 pounds with a 0.495 stocker trout. As with anything improvements could be made but for this format Nate does a fantastic job!
On the plus side it was mentioned that there were approximately 70 fish caught. Although I'm not really interested in attending any of these tournaments I think Tightline has something going for them and shouldn't change a thing. They are bringing in HUGE crowds to an ice fishing tournament where hardly any fish get caught. Basically they are getting a ton of people enjoying the outdoors, bringing in a ton of revenue, and causing minimal damage to the fishery with the low catch rate. Like I said I wouldn't attend one of these tournaments myself but why would Tightline want to change anything whatsoever?
If you think that only 70 fish were caught among 800 entrants, my guess is there were far more caught, released and/or taken then the 70 that were submitted for the weigh in. I can't verify that of course, but it would seem logical that more went on then what was reported. Of the "70" fish reported, I wonder how many were actually revived and released. I don't care to support these events, and I hold no ill-will to those who do. I'm only hoping for an accurate and truthful accountability of the events that take place at a contest this large.
Now I'm going to sound like I'm supporting this tournament series which I'm not. I think it has got way to big and not for the correct reasons. They use to be alright to get together and mingle with friends but with that many people you probably can't find thoes your looking for. Anyway I would be quite surprised if more than 70 fish were caught. I've been to 3 or 4 of these tournaments and only ever saw one fish caught in the areas I was fishing. On top of that I would guess that the majority if not all of the fish caught were stocker trout. 70 stocker trout are probably illegally taken in any one given day all the time. That makes less of the little boogers getting on my worm when I'm chasing the eyes. Still doesn't make it right but the loss of a few stockers isn't the end of the world imo. Forgive me if I make anyone upset that last statement.
I was just looking at there website to see if they had canceled the Chatfield tournament due to poor ice and saw a report in the local newspaper saying that there were around 120 fish caught most rainbow and a couple of perch and crappie. Also says most fish were released. Obviously they didn't report on the mortally rate after release but it sounds like most were let go.
I agree with Goose that the format makes for low catch rates (120 us likely a record for a single tournament) and they are typically slimers. I have seen that many fish leave Sandpiper Pond at st. Vrain in a day before.
On a cold day like we had at Boyd I am concerned that the mortality rate could be high. They make good efforts to revive them in a tank before releasing which helps. I would like to see them encourage that people bring a bucket to fill with water for transport to weigh station. I choose to do this and believe it helps. Nate is great at getting donations and I bet he could convince jax or Home Depot to donate buckets that people can always use anyway for ice fishing and what not.
My understanding is that if ice isn't good for chatfield it will be held at Wellington.
Guys, don't speculate that anyone is "making a boatload of money from a public resource" if you don't know what you're talking about! Until you guys go and try to put on a tournament like this yourself, you shouldn't be bashing on Nate and his guys. You might be surprised just how little they "make" off of these events. Look at everything it takes to put on a tourney like this: advertising, permits, all the coordination (parks/wildlife dept, porta-potties, cinnamon rolls, etc.), getting it all set-up, prizes (FYI - they're not all 100% donated), etc.
I count Nate as a friend, and his intentions are nothing but good. He just wants to get folks outside, and maybe to try something new. He has probably single-handedly introduced more people to ice fishing through these tournaments than anyone ever has in this state. He's not in this to just make a buck and exploit the resources. Anyone saying that really has no clue, sorry. The more people we have hunting and fishing, the more support we have for the outdoor sports we love, and Nate has added more folks to our ranks than anyone else I know.
Reply by: Jdhusk65 Posted: Jan. 12, 7:31:59 AM Points: 28
As far as revenue, who knows after expenses what it brings in? None other than the organizers are qualified to say. Its purely speculation theyre making "boatloads" of money. My kids enjoy it, and thats all that matters to me. If you dont like it, then dont go. Stay home and pout.
Reply by: dallasdb Posted: Jan. 12, 8:27:42 AM Points: 203
I've never been to a tourney but how cool would it be to offer an entrance fee that included a basic setup with a cheap ice combo, a few jigs etc.
And if they don't already, they should sell fishing licenses or at least one day passes to make sure everyone is legal at the events. CPW could also pre-sell next season passes or do something at these tourneys to generate more revenue.
Reply by: bassandtrout Posted: Jan. 12, 11:10:40 AM Points: 17
I was there with my son, my dog (the big white one), my boss, his son and a few friends of ours. Not one of got a bite or even saw activity on the flashers, but we all had a hell of a good time! My boss won a few goodies through the raffle and every kid I saw including mine was given numerous prizes to take home. It was a blast and we made it a great time and that's a lesson in fishing when the bite is not hot. With that many people stomping around on the ice know one really should expect too much. Thanks Nate for organizing a good ol time.
Reply by: ozzy Posted: Jan. 12, 11:39:20 AM Points: 3264
I see it like this: If big crowds and paying to fish where your odds are very low of even catching one don't get you amped up-use this time to go to other lakes and fish because a large percentage of anglers wont be there because they are at an ice tournament. With over 800 anglers at Boyd that day, you could have been alone at most other lakes in the area. It's a win/win in my book. I have only been to one ice tourney before. I didn't win anything, but I had a great time talking with other people and even caught a couple fish. I think a lot depends on what you expect out of the experience. I personally don't like big festivals because I don't like big, stuffy crowds - so I don't go to them.
River - you get your opinion, I get mine. The fact is that private fishing / hunting guides, outfitters, tournament sponsors, festival promoters, tour operators, race organizers, airshows, etc, etc. all earn their livelihoods by leveraging the public resources we all support through taxes and fees...and by doing so...benefit well in excess of what they contribute.
That said, often these services are very worthwhile and don't impact others in a substantial way...for example I don't have an issue with individual guides and such (I use them)... but when big private events start limiting, crowding, or closing access to the public resources we all pay for due to the large number of their customers using the resource, I have to say "now wait a minute...who's mostly benefiting from this?"
Esox, I absolutely understand where you're coming from. However, I think if you knew Nate and where his heart is with these tournaments, you might feel differently.
And as a point of clarification, utilizing and exploiting a resource are two totally different things. Nate and his guides are excellent stewards of our natural resources, and wouldn't exploit them. Hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from in his defense.
I'm not trying to bash Nate...he is probably the best businessman operating within this niche in the area, and I respect that.
I guess to me it's one thing to encounter crowds or even to have to come back another day because the area is just flat-out busy (I don't like it, but it happens)...however its another if the same thing happens because a company has filled the site (that we all help pay for) with their paying customers.
Just seems different to me.
Oh, and you are right there is a difference between "utilize" and "exploit" but I never used the term exploit. Rather I used "leverage" for a reason i.e., because private business users get the use of the resource without paying full value for the benefit they receive.
The Ice Addiction Series does leverage the resources very well. I did some back of the envelope calculations for the tournament at Boyd. If we assume 800 entrants had 1000 holes to fish from, then they and the supporting facilities occupied a confined area which is less than 2% of the surface area of Boyd Lake. This leaves 98% of the lake useable for other anglers who aren't fishing the tournament. I think most non-entrants could find a decent site to fish. Sickws6 stated in his post above that he was able to fish Boyd during the tournament and did quite well. Unlike most other tournaments, this footprint is quite small and efficient.
CPW also leverages this tournament quite well. Let's assume that half of the entrants pay the entrance fee into Boyd Lake State park. That's $6400 into the CPW coffers. If you add in the revenue from fishing license sales, then CPW probably generates enough revenue to pay for an employee to sit in a truck at Eleven Mile reservoir and annoy bratfish.
Reply by: esoxrocks Posted: Jan. 13, 11:49:28 AM Points: 2371
Yea, guess that makes some sense, especially in the winter when facilities are at low-use levels (except maybe for the lack of parking for the other users). Not sure that would hold true for other private events during high-use months, but still, point taken.
If half the folks pay the $8 entry, that only amounts to $3,200 vs. $32,000 for entry fees to the tournament, a bit lop sided maybe for the park, but you can't argue that getting 800 people engaged in an activity that does not involve screen time is a bad thing, I call that a good day.
I have to comment on the economics of this. I kills me when people assume huge profits on events like this. I do not know specifics about tighlines but have run budgets for many years and know that there are a lot of costs that add up quickly. 1. First off there are toms of man hours that go into this. They have to work hard starting almost a year in advance to obtain permits as well as backup plans. 2. They pay fees for permits, equipment, porta-potties, generators, pa system, tent, advertising, etc. 3. They have to hustle to line up all of the items to give away including, coffee, cocoa, cinnamon rolls, and a ton of prizes. If you think this is all provided at no cost you are crazy. 4. It takes a lot of work and space to collect all of the supplies and prizes. 5. A ton of man hours goes into setting up the site, drilling holes, testing equipment, organizing, etc.
Add all of this up and the actual profit is actually very modest. Also keep in mind that the first couple of years as they built this series the turnouts were much smaller and the inefficiencies were more costly as they figured this out. It is very likely that this is the first year they are actually turning any profit at all.
Reply by: AMRE2ME2 Posted: Jan. 14, 1:22:59 AM Points: 15
It's always the same two guys trying to bash Nate on this site. Jealousy, because he's doing what he loves to do, and he's the most successful angler in this state. When you grow up, you'll admire a man for his achievements, not try and pump yourself up by trying to bash him. I know for a fact Nate bought all five of those quads months before these tournaments, they were not donated! He's put more into these tournaments for the past few years trying to make them fun, safe and enjoyable for hundreds of people. And he's accomplished doing just that. The sponsors have taken note, and it's paying off for everyone that has enjoyed these tournaments. Personally, I couldn't be happier for Nate and everyone that helps him put on these great events. Couldn't happen to a better group of guys.
Reply by: Jdhusk65 Posted: Jan. 15, 5:19:46 AM Points: 28
@ bassandtrout and fellow dads, I agree, smiles on kids faces worth every cent for these gatherings, tourneys, derbies, whatever theyre labeled. More tourneys nate, for the next generation of fxr posters. Well done. Ignore the bittermen, do it for the kids.