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Lake: Prospect Ponds (FC)
Fish: Northern Pike

pike in prospect?

Post By: solwang      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:26:32 PM     Points: 0    
Hi, I caught this 12 inch pike this afternoon in the prospect in foco. I am so surprised. Actually I caught another baby pike in this lake also last week. Why there are pikes in this lake now?

 Reply by: FPF      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:31:25 PM     Points: 313    
any chance it could be caused from displacing fish during the flooding last year? I dunno. Are there any lakes above prospect that hold pike?
 Reply by: pikeNcolorado      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:35:23 PM     Points: 15910    
There's a couple of things to bring up here....

1. That could be a young tiger muskie. They look alot of like when young but giving that has a light background and dark markings I would say it is a baby Tiger. Baby pike do have solid stripes that seperate as they get older.

2. If that is a pike, you may have just told a lot of people about it that didn't know and could get a lot of unwanted pressure to your water.

3. Did those ponds suffer and damage from the flood? If so, it could be a transplant.

Bottom line, well done on the catch, if it is indeed a tiger, you should be proud, they are VERY hard to catch even for experience anglers.
 Reply by: pikeNcolorado      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:37:41 PM     Points: 15910    
PS, here's a link to tell them apart..
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 Reply by: FPF      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:40:27 PM     Points: 313    
the juvenile pike in the link you posted looks like his pic...I dunno. Is there a sure fire way of telling a juvenile tiger and pike apart? also, I don't know if prospect was damaged by floods. I guess I just assumed everything up that way pretty much was lol
 Reply by: pikeNcolorado      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:44:24 PM     Points: 15910    
Wow, I was looking at the markings on the big guys. That juvi pike does look alot like his fish. This thread could get interesting. We need FISHSEAL or SWIGS to chime in. Now I'm really confused. I always based the fish off of the color of the stripes vs the background.
 Reply by: FPF      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:46:49 PM     Points: 313    
ha ha ya. I just say we assume it was a tiger and congratulate the guy on landing the fish of 10000 casts!
 Reply by: solwang      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:49:33 PM     Points: 0    
pikeNcolorado and FPF, I just checked the lake species. Now I think it is a tiger muskie. Thanks for the info. I think the lake was flooded last year due to the heavy rain.
 Reply by: booman      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:51:24 PM     Points: 4993    
I had a 26 incher on with dow there 3 years ago, they are in there
 Reply by: anglerwannabe      Posted: 5/22/2014 8:59:14 PM     Points: 29437    
here is the best way to tell. Learned this last year from FxR

count the number of pores on the underside of the lower jaw. These pores are minute sensory openings on the outer edges under the jaw. The northern pike will have no more than five of these tiny holes. The muskellunge will have at least six, and sometimes as many as nine. This is the surest way to determine one from the other

 Reply by: solwang      Posted: 5/22/2014 9:08:40 PM     Points: 0    
anglerwannabe, thanks! I will count it when I catch him again :)
 Reply by: BJmarsh      Posted: 5/22/2014 9:38:15 PM     Points: 157    
there are a few in there, my cousin a few years back caught one that was 33 inches out of there. unless someone else caught it its should still be swimmin! there are some nice bass in there as well!
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/22/2014 9:53:00 PM     Points: 8510    
Okay, so, let me do a bit of clarification on both parts. :)

First, pike weren't in Prospect Ponds (Fort Collins) for many many years. I know, because I used to fish them regularly. However, it has been a few years and there are only two ways they can get in there. One, bucket biology - which I despise. Two, through the canal and river. The flooding really mixed things up fish wise and the Poudre flows right through there. Either way, it will be interesting to see what happens. Their main forage will eventually become the shad and sunfish (bluegill, green sunfish, and small bass).

Second, as for identification, Anglerwannabe has the majority of the information and just needs a bit of added detail. There will be 10 total pores (not so small, but appear as "holes" in the bottom jaw) in northern pike, 5 on each side. Musky have 12 to 18 total, 6 to 9 on each side. Tiger muskie can have any of those, because it is a hybrid.

However, here is why I think it is a pike, first, tiger muskie are expensive, so I would've expected signs to be posted so people don't harvest the small tiger muskie. Second, signs would be posted because you can't "take" a tiger muskie until it is 36" and greater. :) Biologically, I don't think the CPW would have added tiger muskie because the dynamics of the Prospect ponds were good prior to the flooding. Also, tiger muskie are typically added when there is an imbalance with suckers... not shad. As there really aren't any suckers in the prospect ponds, it just doesn't make sense.

So, I say small pike... hopefully from the flood. The ponds are not the best location as they don't fluctuate a lot and spawning material is scarce. Growth would be awesome as there are some shallow areas and good forage right now, but those ponds will not be able to sustain a whole lot. Now, this is just my opinion, so, I can be wrong. :)

Fun stuff though, cute fish!

FS
 Reply by: pikeNcolorado      Posted: 5/23/2014 9:10:58 AM     Points: 15910    
Thanks FISHSEAL and ANGLERWANNABE. I always forget about the pours even though I've read about it numerous times.
 Reply by: mkorpal      Posted: 5/23/2014 10:06:54 AM     Points: 118    
Yeah, I would have to say bucket biology for sure. I can't think of any official pike stocking anywhere on the Poudre system. Either that, or someone's private pond was overrun last fall.
 Reply by: FishSeal      Posted: 5/23/2014 10:41:22 AM     Points: 8510    
Follow up post.

So, when I checked Prospect Ponds (FC) species list, tiger muskie are listed. However, I can't find any stocking records and would have to call one of the biologists to find out. Or hopefully, Swigs will chime in to confirm.
All the places that I know of, that have tiger muskie have signs indicating such.

PikeNColorado - Does Lake Estes have a sign? I'm curious if there are some locations that don't have signage now.

Fun stuff and good thread.

FS
 Reply by: pikeNcolorado      Posted: 5/23/2014 10:57:53 AM     Points: 15910    
FISHSEAL,
There are signs up here at Estes but not many... Maybe 3 I can think of.

As for Pike in the Poudre System, there are many private waters in Ft Collins area that I know hold a lot of pike. I'm not going to blast them, but they do exist.
 Reply by: IndieCon      Posted: 5/23/2014 12:00:22 PM     Points: 925    
Tiger Muskie, definitely.
 Reply by: Colorado Bass Man      Posted: 5/23/2014 3:23:02 PM     Points: 4    
I've fished that pond 100 times in the last five years never seen one of those come out of there!

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